Subject: Re: [vserver] VServer Community; Was: Roadmap and Future ...
From: Herbert Poetzl <herbert@13thfloor.at>
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 10:47:56 +0100

On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 03:45:51PM -0600, Michael S. Zick wrote:
> On Fri February 27 2009, Dallas Kashuba wrote:
>> On Feb 27, 2009, at 6:20 AM, Michael S. Zick wrote:
>>> On Fri February 27 2009, Michael S. Zick wrote:
>>>> On Fri February 27 2009, ADNET Ghislain wrote:

>>>> - - - snip - - -

>>>>> Yes with twoparts, the "Official" docs and contributed doc. Would be
>>>>> quite cool if we could like in the php or mysql project put  
>>>>> comments on
>>>>> the doc's pages. (not changing them but just exemples, use cases  
>>>>> etc). I
>>>>> don't know but CMS out there should have this possibility i think.

>>>> TikiWiki allows (folding) comments on wiki, blog, articles (at  
>>>> least those).
>>>> It also supports importing from other popular CMS products.
>>>> You can have freeTags, catagories, structures. . . (a mind boggling  
>>>> number of features).
>>>> It can import and convert a mailing list - (like this one) - - -
>>>> Personal pages, personal groups, general groups, trackers, etc.  
>>>> etc. etc.

>>>> But, like VServer, if you haven't set it up before yourself -
>>>> either hire someone (some host providers will set it up for you)
>>>> or expect a steep learning curve (in the configuration of your  
>>>> installation, not the use).

>>> Here is a specific plan - how do they say it? 
>>> "A limited time offer." ;)

>>> I am in the process of configuring and testing a TikiWiki install
>>> for three of my own web-sites. The end result will be something
>>> easy (for me) to install three varieties of.
>>> I am willing to install a fourth. (Groan, did I offer that?)

go ahead, it certainly can't hurt to get another
perspective on this

>>> Todo - task list:

>>> *) @Herbert - contact dreamhost.com - you want a:
>>> **) "My Happy Hosting" - hosting package, includes a domain name  
>>> registration
>>> **) "My Unique IP" - just what it sounds like.

no problem with that, I also see that vserver.org
seems to be for sale at the moment (might be nice
to have that one :)

>>> -) Dreamhost.com makes commercial use of Linux-VServer (or your wiki
>>> page is out of date). The above package is a retail of about $180usd
>>> a year; if they will not donate that amount to the project (I.E: To
>>> support the Linux-VServer
>>> project) . . . <deleted comment>

>> You would be quite right to make a negative comment if a hosting  
>> company relying on an open source project would not be willing to  
>> donate free hosting to said project!

> My apologies, no offense intended.  
> You will note that I am a customer of yours already. ;)

>> It is our 'DreamHost PS' service that is based on Linux-Vserver...
>> http://www.dreamhost.com/hosting-vps.html

>> It would make sense that the Linux-Vserver project would be hosted on  
>> a vserver, and we would more than happy to donate that service.

>> We have actually already provided some financial support to the Linux- 
>> Vserver project in the past, and we will definitely continue to do  
>> so!  Every company of any size has limited financial resources and I  
>> like to see our money going to projects that will most benefit from it.

>> All that said, linux-vserver.org already has hosting somewhere.  Is  
>> the current hosting limiting the improvement of the current website?

> Let us wait on what the boss has to say - -

> I think this site is still on a personal box in somebody's basement.
> I can not say that for sure, it may have changed a year or two ago.

it is running on a machine maintained by Hollow
(details about the connection and hosting should
be available from him, for me, it just works :)

and of course, inside a Linux-VServer guest :)

> Mike
>>> *) @Herbert - give me an ssh/ftp account on the donated hosting
>>> site. I would suggest that you pick a "new" domain name while
>>> signing up with DH - It is included in the package and the existing
>>> ones can be moved/ redirected later

yes, for a start/test that is a good idea, once
we have decided how to proceed, we probably want
to integrate it back into the existing setup,
but if that CMS is capable of handling mirrors
it would be a good idea to keep the DH machine
as active mirror (just in case something happens
to the main site)

>>> *) @Me - I will do the CMS install and initial configuration -
>>> We start with whatever I have in "my" tarball/sqldump and tweak
>>> features from there; I expect this to be done in the "open" using
>>> the CMS forums, task lists, and the existing members contributing 
>>> to his thread as the "reviewing public".

please make/keep notes, so that we can repeat that
on linux-vserver.org (with minor adjustments)

>>> *) @Community - Join in with your comments, suggestions, posts,
>>> whatever - - This will be your new central home - give us feedback
>>> while we have our hands on the tuning buttons. ;)

>>> *) @Community - I have not personally used the "foreign wiki" or
>>> "mailing list" import functions - I may need some advice and/or
>>> editing help.

>>> *) @Herbert - when we feel it is "as ready as it will get" you can
>>> decide if it should be moved to /dev/null or put into use.

I think we won't move it to /dev/null, I hate 
discarding work, especially if it was done for
free, so we'll keep it around, in the absolutely
worst case as bad example :)

>>> *) @Me - I expect it will take me another couple of weeks to get my
>>> own setup working to my satisfaction - (I am running it internally
>>> now) - I think I can be ready to clone the setup as soon as that is
>>> done.

okay, keep us updated ...

TIA,
Herbert

>>> Mike

>> If we all agree that the website would be much improved by switching  
>> to TikiWiki (I am only familiar with Mediawiki myself), this sounds  
>> like a pretty low-impact approach.
>> 
>> 	Dallas