Subject: Re: [vserver] Call to arms
From: "Michael S. Zick" <mszick@morethan.org>
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2009 18:09:06 -0600

On Fri February 27 2009, Ed W wrote:
> 
> > Some "experts" claim that the top 600 pixels of the home page are the
> > only ones that "count" - who wants to click the "page down" button?
> >   
> 
> Yep, sounds fair. 
> 
> Also only some of those pixels are hot.  I believe that you either want 
> to be number 1-2 on google, but position 3 (or whatever) is dead.  Then 
> the eye apparently gets drawn to something like position 4-5 + 8-9, so 
> the real pros don't position content to be read in an F shape where the 
> key content is top, left side or left middle ... 
> 
> But your point is spot on - most people reading this list will live only 
> in the wiki - the front pages of the website are glossy and done in 
> whichever engine is easiest to do that.
> 
> > Not a significant *technical* issue in my mind - - the "which is best"
> > in the CMS world now is like the "which is best" in the word processing
> > world a decade ago - - more subjective than technical - they all "work".
> >   
> 
> I think they are all cr*p and hard to operate...  Roll on something that 
> works...
> 
> 
> 
> > I have to agree on that one also - at least it sounds reasonable to me.
> > That was one of the reasons I limited my offer to "the one I know best".
> > Too big an effort required to be running into many surprises with something else.
> >   
> 
> What was the extent of your offer though?  I think I misunderstand?
>

I offered to put up a complete CMS site, import the existing wiki
documentation into it, integrate the mailing list archive and the IRC
log archive.

If people prefer to just link to existing pages, on the non-integrated
server/site - it could be done that way also (the package has a "site
integrator").

There would not be any visible change to the existing site(s) and
repositories until the community approved of the "new look" - -
If the "new look" does not pass community approval, it goes into /dev/null.

The only involvement I asked of the community was to comment on the work.

The only thing I asked of Herbert was to take up Dreamhost on their offer.

That service starts with 0.5Tbyte of file space and grows from there, so
there is more than enough room and bandwidth available for anything this
sized community might need.


> Right now it seems like the main documentation site is ok as it is.  
>

Other than organization. ;) 
I think you mean: "technically ok" if I was to guess.

> What is needed is something in front of that which introduces vserver 
> and what it's about.  Could you help with this?
> 

We still haven't heard from Herbert - we could all just be wasting 
our time and bandwidth.  Of course, one must consider the time difference,
he may be sleeping through this entire conversation. ;)

> Also wikis really benefit from an intermittent, but consistent person 
> "gardening" them.  Do you think you could help out on that (I don't 
> think the engine matters for that kind of thing - just highlighting 
> flaws in articles, deleting spam, tweaking up spelling mistakes, it all 
> starts to help it snowball)?
> 
> 
> With Herberts help I would really like to work on the Gentoo support a 
> bit further?
> 

??
I have a 64bit Gentoo host with a 32bit Gentoo guest running, installed
recently - around the time of 2.6.27 patch set.
I can't recall any problems with installing either of them.

Note: Gentoo recently switched to a new layout - which may explain the
difference in experiences.

Mike
> Ed W
> 
>