Subject: Re: [vserver] CentOS 7
From: roman.pretory@austrianonlines.com
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2019 13:15:07 +0100

Hello Herbert


Am 2019-01-21 09:56, schrieb Herbert Poetzl:
> On Sun, Jan 20, 2019 at 07:59:13PM +0100,
> roman.pretory@austrianonlines.com wrote:
>> Laurent,
> 
>> At first thanks for infos, :-)
> 
> Hello Roman,
> 
>> I have look on it for 60min, in this time i have a running
>> vserver on CentOs7 with LXD, troubles to config to run on a own
>> interface, but this could be fixed spending more time, the main
>> trouble a have with the differt uid's, and thats comming from
>> Ubuntu => so Lts 3 years not part of Centos if this is a good
>> choice, but which options are left.
> 
>> Nice page good infos, doku, well done, but vserver is now
>> running on my servers since Rh9, why did't they get it run,
>> no Enterpise Disto no Debian no ... works anymore what are
>> the patch for???
> 
> Not sure what you are asking here (or complaining about?)
> Who is 'they' and 'what should they have gotten running'?

'they' => http://linux-vserver.org/Developers
gotten running => Debian, Redhat, Suse.. that disros are most in use, 
could be a good restart again.

> 
>> And by the way is it not awful LXD posts on this list?,
> 
> Why would it be 'awful' when 'mainline' features get mentioned?

'mainline' feature ??? yes realy I did't, see this like that

> 
>> from so much users, and I'm frustrated to get not direkt answer
>> like yes working on it, no never, fuck off, anything i could
>> work with, planning future with or without.
> 
> I already replied that nobody bothered to mess with systemd
> for several reasons and that I consider it doable but not
> worth the time unless there is clear interest.

yes.....i read this and that years ago...
clear than now ? it will never be anymore, where should it come from?, 
there was more positv feedback years ago
no support for big Distros = > less user of vserver => smaller feedback 
=> closed Project
thats realy the way you what to go? , soory i can't believe :-(

BGR
> 
>> Did't really anyone use those Distros without systemd, for
>> what if ??
> 
> No idea what that means ...



> 
> Best,
> Herbert
> 
>> BRG Roman
> 
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>> Am 2019-01-20 15:33, schrieb Laurent Spagnol:
>>> Hi,
> 
>>> Le 20/01/2019 à 09:50, Alber Lvs a écrit :
>>>> On 17-01-19 09:05, Alber Lvs wrote:
> 
>>>>> LXD is being packaged for Debian, while the older LXC is packaged 
>>>>> for
>>>>> Debian.
>>>>> I must say I much prefer LXD over LXC.
>>>>> With Ubuntu as LXD (or LXC) host you will likely have a much easier
>>>>> time
>>>>> installing and maintaining time than having LXC or maybe in the
>>>>> future
>>>>> LXD on Debian.
> 
>>>> Quite some negative voices about LXC on this mailing list.
>>>> When I tried LXC years ago it was a sad state of affairs indeed. But
>>>> Debian Linux was going to drop kernel support for Linux Vserver, and
>>>> they hinted in the Debian wiki that LXC would be the future, so I
>>>> hopes
>>>> for LXC progress.
>>>> Every now and then I looked at LXC and it was only making slow
>>>> progress,
>>>> and the command line tools were very cumbersome to use.
> 
>>>> However, LXD is very different. Easy to set up in Ubuntu.
>>>> It has nice command line name completion.
>>>> For example, type in : sudo lxc exec t.. <tab> and it will complete 
>>>> to
>>>> sudo lxc exec test-server (Where test-server is the name of your
>>>> container).
>>>> By default LXD creates containers which have a different root 
>>>> UIG/GID
>>>> in
>>>> the containers for security reasons. That can cause some confusion
>>>> when
>>>> you are copying files as root from the host to a container 
>>>> directory,
>>>> but once you understand how to fix those permissions it is fine.
> 
>>>> With LXD you can even run Docker inside a container!
> 
>>> With LXC too, and you can run LXC containers inside LXC container =>
>>> "nested" containers.
> 
>>> There is no diffence beetween LXC and LXD in terms of 
>>> functionalities.
>>> It's just the same thing !!
> 
>>> LXC is based on a flat configuration file, it's very simple to use,
>>> especially on a single host.
> 
>>> LXD is "cluster" oriented, based on a deamon, and containers's
>>> configuruations are in a database (SQLite if i rememmber).
> 
>>> LXD is the default on Ubuntu Server. It's a good choice fot beginers.
> 
>>> But I prefers "old school flat files", so i remove LXD and use "old
>>> style" LXC. It is more simple with complex configurations !
> 
>>> I was a fan of Linux-Vserver, i have wroted some scripts to play with
>>> VLANs, conditional routing and netfilter (this was a long time ago,
>>> before "veth" ...) but finally i choose LXC when it was good enough
>>> for "production". I use it for years (mostly over ZFS), it works like
>>> a charms.
> 
>>> LS
> 
> 
> 
>>>> https://blog.simos.info/how-to-run-docker-in-a-lxd-container/
> 
> 
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